Anyway, avoiding all the many minefields throw out there by this thread and trying to get to back to the original poin, I think you have illustrated for us what democrats mean by change. For example, to quote you:

“I don’t know what change means to democrats, besides change in the way we are fighting this war, change in the way we do health care, change in the way we educate our children. All of this, I suspect, is what all candidates lay out when they talk about policy plans.”

The, dare I say, genius of the Democratic nominees are that the way the use the word “change” allows their supporters to infer whatever they want. The above quotes from the candidates aren’t talking about “policy” change, just “change.” You, Jo Ellan, suspect that it means one thing while another supporter can suspect it means something totally different. It is a veritable buffet. So, if you are a teacher, change can mean more money for you, if you are a environmentalist, change can mean more restrictions on corporations, for PETA, change means legislative vegetarianism. Whatever you want someone to change, that’s what it means right now. I suspect they use the term so loosely so that they can get the most support for it.

I am sure that once a nominee is named we will see in more detail what they mean by change and I suspect too that it will mean all the things you think it means, Jo Ellen.

As for all the other things in this thread all I can say is “Wow!”

Anyway, avoiding all the many minefields throw out there by this thread and trying to get to back to the original poin, I think you have illustrated for us what democrats mean by change. For example, to quote you:

“I don’t know what change means to democrats, besides change in the way we are fighting this war, change in the way we do health care, change in the way we educate our children. All of this, I suspect, is what all candidates lay out when they talk about policy plans.”

The, dare I say, genius of the Democratic nominees are that the way the use the word “change” allows their supporters to infer whatever they want. The above quotes from the candidates aren’t talking about “policy” change, just “change.” You, Jo Ellan, suspect that it means one thing while another supporter can suspect it means something totally different. It is a veritable buffet. So, if you are a teacher, change can mean more money for you, if you are a environmentalist, change can mean more restrictions on corporations, for PETA, change means legislative vegetarianism. Whatever you want someone to change, that’s what it means right now. I suspect they use the term so loosely so that they can get the most support for it.

I am sure that once a nominee is named we will see in more detail what they mean by change and I suspect too that it will mean all the things you think it means, Jo Ellen.

As for all the other things in this thread all I can say is “Wow!”

Leaders lead and followers follow…you should pitch that to Faux News. Where do leaders lead? Or, more importantly for Christians, How do leaders lead? If they follow the example of Christ (which, I know, is a crazy idea), then they lead by serving incarnationally–that is, becoming like the people they hope to lead. This is why most models of leadership are so disappointing, because most leadership sets itself apart from the “followers.” And this is why, despite what people who write dumb books about “Jesus, CEO” want us to believe, you can’t lead unless you are at least as humble as the people you hope to lead. You lead the poor by becoming poor, you lead workers by being a worker, you lead students by being a student, etc. Given the disparity between the average hourly worker and the average executive, the business model (which is clearly the dominant model of leadership) is, to be blunt, nothing like the leadership of Christ. Housewives, especially those who give up careers and ambitions to change diapers and keep house, are perhaps a better example, which is why, as I’ve maintained in practice and rhetoric, the real “manly” thing for men to do is stay at home and learn to clean and care for small children, and encourage their wives professional gifts in the process.